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Why didn't that songwriting parnership not go on to great things like Lennon/McCartney & Jagger/Richards ? After all the reggae classic " Get Up Stand Up" was a true diamond. Maybe Marley & Tosh never really got on, after all.
A lot of the songs on the Island Records albums were originally recorded and written during the Tosh/Marley/Livingston partnership. This includes songs like Satisfy My Soul, One Love, Kaya, Cry To Me, Lively Up Yourself, Bend Down Low, Who The Cap Fit and others. So while I think the partnership, if it lasted, would have gone on to Greater things there is no question that they already wrote some great songs. Lennon/McCartney didn't last forever either and we all know the stories of them not getting along..
Why didn't that songwriting parnership not go on to great things like Lennon/McCartney & Jagger/Richards ? After all the reggae classic " Get Up Stand Up" was a true diamond. Maybe Marley & Tosh never really got on, after all.
I don't want to devalue or be offensive... but peter tosh is not comparable to bob marley as songwriter
so if bob marley can be considered the mccartney of the wailers I think that peter is not the lennon of the wailers
bob was the main songwriter, a superbe songwriter
that's why most of the wailers songs are only bob's songs (peter and bunny only "decorated" bob's music, as peter himself said)
p.s. why must I cry was another marley/tosh song
To be honest, I don't think Tosh and Marley really were a partnership anyway.
One may have added an idea to the others songs, but basically Bob would do his thing and Peter work on his, whereas Lennon/McCartney often collaborated as well as working individually (many songs credited as Lennon/McCartney are actually just the work of one of the writers.)
Bob Marley himself was a better songwriter than Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Jagger combined. All of them-anybody you can name. His songs will go on much longer. I think for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that his songs actually say something ( a few of all of theirs do, but most are just typical bubble gum weird don't say nothing lyrics) , 2-his songs and lyrics are so plain and simple anybody can understand what he is talking about. There is no ambiguity or anything like that.
As far as Tosh I believe he is just as talented as Lennon or any of those guys. I think Hendrix was just as talented at songwriting than any of those guys and he could play his guitar 100% better than all of them combined. Stevie Wonder is also incredible.
But another thing Bob had over everybody was consistency. He only got better and better and better. Never a lull in my opinion. No one else can say that, not even Jimi. Forever Loving JAH is just as good if not better thn anything he had written before. Same with Bad Card, One Drop, Africa Unite etc... you could go on and on.
I know this was about both Bob and Peter and I just feel that no one could keep up with Bob. He was simply a gift from God put on the earth to do what he did. How can any other songwriter compete with that.
Now what do you think about those crazy opinions? :)
And don't forget Bob alone wrote Get Up Stand Up. Peter inserted one small verse. Bob wrote the song.
Bob Marley himself was a better songwriter than Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, Jagger combined. All of them-anybody you can name. His songs will go on much longer. I think for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that his songs actually say something ( a few of all of theirs do, but most are just typical bubble gum weird don't say nothing lyrics) , 2-his songs and lyrics are so plain and simple anybody can understand what he is talking about. There is no ambiguity or anything like that.
As far as Tosh I believe he is just as talented as Lennon or any of those guys. I think Hendrix was just as talented at songwriting than any of those guys and he could play his guitar 100% better than all of them combined. Stevie Wonder is also incredible.
But another thing Bob had over everybody was consistency. He only got better and better and better. Never a lull in my opinion. No one else can say that, not even Jimi. Forever Loving JAH is just as good if not better thn anything he had written before. Same with Bad Card, One Drop, Africa Unite etc... you could go on and on.
I know this was about both Bob and Peter and I just feel that no one could keep up with Bob. He was simply a gift from God put on the earth to do what he did. How can any other songwriter compete with that.
Now what do you think about those crazy opinions? :)
And don't forget Bob alone wrote Get Up Stand Up. Peter inserted one small verse. Bob wrote the song.
joe at his best! 8)
there is a man named harrison stafford from groundation...
he is the bob marley of the 21st century...
you'll see it in some years... some decades
Bob Marley is the Bob Marley of the 21st century. There is no replacement. Just like there will never be another Mozart there will never be another Bob.
peter tosh is not comparable to bob marley as songwriter
I agree completly.
And don't forget Bob alone wrote Get Up Stand Up. Peter inserted one small verse. Bob wrote the song.
yes, i dont really like peters version, he made it into to much of a anti-christian song, and i dont think that is what it was written for.
As far as Tosh I believe he is just as talented as Lennon or any of those guys.
I'll have to disagree, i think lennon was deffinatly one of the best song writers of all time, in my opinion the socond best next to bob. (just listen to "imagine"!
Bob Marley is the Bob Marley of the 21st century. There is no replacement. Just like there will never be another Mozart there will never be another Bob.
very true!
Bob Marley is the Bob Marley of the 21st century. There is no replacement. Just like there will never be another Mozart there will never be another Bob.
i agree Joe... what i wanted to say is that this man could probably have (in my opinion) a very large impact on people... and he has not the same style of bob at all (fortunately... that would be silly, it is impossible to imitate bob) but i listen a lot to bob marley since five years or so.... i have meditated many time on his music and i felt in the depth of my soul and heart that this man (bob marley) was at the best of what human creativity, talent and consciousness could ever be.... and i just feel the same with groundation.... and these two are the only one who have ever penetrated my heart so deeply in music....
Now what do you think about those crazy opinions? :)
I dunno Joe, to call most songs of Dylan and Lennon/McCartney "typical bubble gum weird don't say nothing" is a stretch too far for me. I think they will stand the test of time also, like Bob. Besides Mozart we have Beethoven and Bach too, there's room for more. :)
But in a way I agree with you as Bob seemed to write more from the heart and that makes him so unique. Simple things are often the hardest to do. If I would compare Bob to American artists I would go further back to the Carters, Guthrie and the early blues musicians.
joe wroteBob Marley is the Bob Marley of the 21st century.
I love that! :D
Tosh was indeed a great songwriter and an innovator in Reggae rhythm guitar playing. IMHO he was never as consistent at songwriting when compared to Bob. That being said, songs like Pick Myself, African, Downpressor Man, Equal Rights, Apartheid, No Sympathy, Stop That Train, 400 Years and others are bonafide classics.
Tosh was indeed a great songwriter and an innovator in Reggae rhythm guitar playing.
But like all songwriters Peter borrowed some lines too. :wink:
Anything you can do, I can do better
I can do any thing better than you
- Irving Berlin, 1946
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anything_You_Can_Do
oh oh...I am just waiting for our man Ras Craig to read all this... :D
oh oh...I am just waiting for our man Ras Craig to read all this... :D
lol :lol: :lol:
Hahahaha I can only laugh cause this garbage is all only the opinions of one track minded people who should get their heads outta Bob Marley's ass for once and they might realize that You cant put everyone into boxes hahaha Bob & Peter are two different different people!!!!! Your all like a bunch of children with your little stupid opinions of Peter. All arguing whos better than who hahaha its Madness... I guess we are all just lucky that your opinions mean nothing in the real world cause It makes me ask myself is Peter Tosh too black for you? hahaha
Rastafari Guidance
Ras Craig
"its seems that everyone wants fantasy in life but its reality that they need"...
Here we go again....
Ras Craig,
I get the feeling you are somewhat of a racist. Not one person has mentioned race in this whole entire thread, and you feel the need to bring it up why?
We should not get our heads out of Bob Marley's ass. Im pretty sure most of us like it there considering this is a BOB MARLEY FORUM!
"our little stupid opinions" huh. Im pretty sure its said that no one's opinion is stupid.
Im sorry, I respect peter tosh very very much (cant say the same about bunny, he really did nothing for reggae music) Peter was an excelent musician, and I do love his music, but lets face it, He was always bad to bob, when bob was always only the best to him. He said once in an interview I just read on M&T torrents: "Bob did a lot of good for me, but also alot of bad" what bad did Bob EVER do to peter? the answer is none, and that Is why I respect bob more than peter.
If you would like to spew your conservative militant rasta views, I suggest you do it somewhere els, because no one here will be persuaded by it.
Hahahaha I can only laugh cause this garbage is all only the opinions of one track minded people who should get their heads outta Bob Marley's ass for once and they might realize that You cant put everyone into boxes hahaha Bob & Peter are two different different people!!!!! Your all like a bunch of children with your little stupid opinions of Peter. All arguing whos better than who hahaha its Madness... I guess we are all just lucky that your opinions mean nothing in the real world cause It makes me ask myself is Peter Tosh too black for you? hahaha
Until the white man stop calling himself white and the black man stop calling himself black, we will not see it. All the people on the earth are just one family, and so my music defends righteousness. If you?re black and you're wrong, you're wrong; if you're white and you're wrong, you're wrong; if you're Indian and you're wrong, you're wrong. It's universal.' Bob Marley
ras craig, I don't know if you are white or black
but I think you are wrong
peter tosh 1- bob marley -2 ....end of the match
who will win the champions reggae Cup
rasta is the future
a mix concert of bob and peter at same time will be great .. like marley brothers shows
RIP peter & bob ..one love..
no justice in this world
we miss all 2
the wailers are great all together like says in the red x docu
jimmy vision the cousin of rita marley ...
please don't misunderstand me
I love Peter tosh, he was a revolutionary, i respect him as musician and as man, i think that his song "rastafari is" is the best rasta song ever
but bob is bob, bob had that "je ne sais quoi" that peter hadn't
I agree Marco but what exactly does je ne sais quoi mean anyway? This is second time today that I am seeing that expression.
Peter Tosh reminds me of Bounty Killer. I am dedicated fans of both of them; they are both very talented. But they both are too angry, ignorant and arrogant
I agree Marco but what exactly does je ne sais quoi mean anyway? This is second time today that I am seeing that expression.
Peter Tosh reminds me of Bounty Killer. I am dedicated fans of both of them; they are both very talented. But they both are too angry, ignorant and arrogant
"je ne sais quoi" means "something special": bob had something special that peter hadn't
ras craig, I don't know if you are white or black
He's white.
lol he is white?
wow. one day he will see that we are all equal.
we are all from africa, and zion is the home of everyone
hahaha! Ras Craig still spouting his madness on this forum. hilarious!
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