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marco
20-11-07, 09:53
Wayne Jobson and his brother Brian, in 1978, started a band called Native in their native Ocho Rios. Playing a unique blend of reggae fused with rock, their sound, was at the time, a bold step in the Jamaican musical ethos. Two years later, Native was one of the fastest rising bands around.
The outcome of their creative assimilation, was a new sound as far as most Jamaicans were concerned. Be that as it may, by June of 1980, with their debut self-titled album, Native landed a deal with Arista/Ariola Records in Europe, while RCA and CBS/GTO were responsible for distribution in the United States and other territories.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lifestyle/images/20071117T000000-0500_129540_OBS_JOBSON_TALKS_TOSH__1.jpgWayne (left) and Brian Jobson who founded the reggae band Native.
At that time, Native's brand of crossover reggae, stood out especially in the arena of new wave music that was sweeping the USA, Canada and Europe, driven by punk groups like Clash, Police, Sex Pistols and Specials to name a few who were at the forefront of this alternative musical craze.
However, with the decline of that trend over time, Native who put out their last album, No Boundry, in 1990, gradually faded from the scene, but that is only in terms of the musical outfit comprising Jobson's brothers - Brian and Wayne - bass and rhythm guitarists respectively; keyboardist Peter Couch who is now CEO of Whats On Jamaica.com; saxophonist/guitarist Warren Mendes; drummer Richard Sinclair and vocals/percussionist Chris Lopez. Brian Jobson is now a music consultant/artiste manager/show producer.
Sibling Wayne, a lawyer, has gone on to become arguably one of the hardest working agents of reggae at this point in time. Billboard Magazine - widely regarded as the reggae Bible - dubbed Jobson 'The Reggae Authority', while hitmaker Fergie (of Black Eyed Peas fame) refers to him as 'the reggae expert'. Jobson assisted in the production of two of the artiste's songs when she was with her old band Wild Orchid.
The reggae authority also has to his credit a weekly reggae show on Indie 103.1. The station, where Jobson holds down the 4:00-6:00 pm slot on Sundays, was chosen by Rolling Stone Magazine as 'The Coolest Station' in America.
But even more importantly, Jobson - who also did a radio stint on KROG Radio Station before he went on to set up the Washington-based XM Satellite Radio, on which veteran Jamaican musicologist, Dermott Hussey, can be heard - was instrumental in the Peter Tosh documentary Red X and is now in the process of taking it to another level with the creation of a full-length movie on the 'Stepping Razor'.
Wayne Jobson is no less excited about his present project for which he is director/ consultant, than when he was a member of the band. As Bob Marley is to many, Peter Tosh is his musical idol, and his energy today is driven by a passion to keep Tosh's name alive. "In 1973, I met the Wailers, Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, Bunny Wailer. But it was Peter that fascinated me most with his incredible sense of humour and his intellect," Jobson confessed.
"Jamaica has a lot of great musicians, and some of the greatest musicians in the world are in Jamaica, but his humour and his intellect, separates Peter Tosh from the rest of the musicians that came out of Jamaica," he asserted.
Added Jobson: "He (Tosh) was the most well-read reggae artiste ever, and the brilliance of his mind, that really fascinated me. and when he was assassinated in '87, of course I was devastated, and three years after Peter was assassinated I kept thinking about him, and when I went into every record shop in America and even here in Jamaica, you couldn't find Peter Tosh records anywhere, the whole world had forgotten all about him. And all I heard about everywhere I go, is just Bob Marley. So I said let me put together something so as to keep Peter Tosh's memory alive.
"So what I did is, I put together the film and went to the family. and they said 'well, we've these tapes we don't know if you would be interested in it', but when I listened to the tapes, it was the Red X tapes. Peter had intended to write his life story in a book, so he sat down and taped off his whole life story. So I basically had the Red X tape, and for me this was like finding the Lost Ark of the Covenant.
"So I said 'well, can't make a feature film so let's make a feature documentary', so I just had Peter narrating the whole film and just recreated the images. For three years we shot and edited, and finally came up with a great film and it was picked as one of the great films at the Toronto Film Festival in 1994 and then we got nominated for the Canadian Academy Award for the Best Documentary."
The worldwide response to the Red X documentary has encouraged Jobson to go all the way, full speed ahead, to borrow what has now become a political jargon. "So we showed it around the world and got a lot of respect. After that, I then took another 13 years trying to get the feature together with actors and now everybody turned me down again like when I was trying to do it the first time," he recalled.
Jobson explained, that luck finally came his way when he met film maker, Academy Award winner, Ridley Scott. "I was lucky enough to come across one of the great film makers of our time, Ridley Scott and his company RSA and his son Jake and we're putting together the Peter Tosh feature which we may call Get Up Stand Up the working title and we're just working on the script now to get it together.
"Basically, my mission is to never let the world forget the power of the great poet, shaman, revolutionary and the freedom fighter that Peter Tosh was. And I want to appeal to the government and urge the minister of culture Babsy Grange to give respect where it is due to the great Bush Doctor, and I hope next year this time, all of us will be calling him the honourable Peter Tosh."
Get Up Stand Up (if the movie is so called), will highlight all aspects of the life of the reggae monolith whose brutal slaying 20 years ago, robbed the music world of one of its most militant voices. But the main focus of the flick is that phase of Tosh's experiences shortly before his departure from the Wailers to that fateful night when the forces of evil brought an end to his stridency.
"We're just working on the script now and it's hard, in terms of which part of his life to tell because it is such an amazing, interesting life, that to tell the whole thing would be like a four hour movie. So we're trying to pick which slice of his life is the most interesting one.
We're going to have everything in chronology, but we've to focus a little bit on his youth, and then focus mostly on when he leaves the Wailers. a little bit of Wailers and a little bit of Bob Marley, but mostly it will be showing the power of Peter and his music and his message and how he touched the world, because he was a special artiste," explained producer Wayne Jobson .
Director of the Peter Tosh movie is Jake Scott, son of Ridley Scott, the Academy Award winning producer/director whose company put out the feature film starring Denzel Washington called American Gangster, now in local cinemas.
"I've been working on this (Peter Tosh's movie) for 17 years and it's like my dream really, make this great film about this great artiste and I've met every musicians in the world from. the Stones, the Beatles and the Police and anybody you can name, and I still think the greatest rock star of all times and the most meaningful and powerful musicians - as far as being a revolutionist - is Peter Tosh. He has the most interesting story. Peter was a revolutionary, if you listen to him there's no compromise. It was the great mind of this great artiste that the world needs to know. and the people who don't know about it, need to discover him," Jobson advised.
Presently, Wayne Jobson is in Los Angeles working full time with Chris Blackwell as a consulting producer in the production of a documentary on the history of Jamaican music.
"We're going to be down here [in Jamaica] the whole month of December shooting," he said. "We've already interviewed Third World, Steel Pulse and Aston 'Familyman' Barrett and Black Uhuru. We just going to interview everybody in the history of reggae and then collect all the great footage and put together the first big official documentary on the history of Jamaican Music."
He added that the flick - for which Chris Blackwell is executive producer and Ondi Timonerhas, director (he directed the Sundance Film Festival award winning Dig) - has not yet been given a name or a working title.
Turning to his adventure with Lee Scratch Perry, from which came the recently released set, he told Yesterday's Notes: "This album was from 30 years ago when I did my first demo with Lee Scratch Perry at Scratch's Black Ark Studio before he burnt it down. I did record like five songs and I went to England and I did a deal with Arista Records, using a demo, for me to come and record the album with Scratch. But by the time I came back, he had gone crazy and him burn down the whole studio. So I ended up producing the first album myself, but I never really released the Scratch's tape. Since it is 30 years now, a company in England heard them and want to put them out. So I just released it in England."

joe
20-11-07, 15:59
I hope the movie becomes a reality. Just like in the previous post about Bushman singing the songs of Tosh--it is a shame the people do not know every single song he recorded. And that he does not get the proper respect he deserves.

kikewas
21-11-07, 22:21
i agree with joe

bestjamaica
22-11-07, 00:30
I knew Peter Tosh only because he was a member of the Wailers but recently I'm discovering him like a singer... I discovered very beautiful songs...

Blaise90
22-11-07, 19:19
Most of you know my views on peter...

A bob movie would be ALOT better

chico
22-11-07, 21:45
Most of you know my views on peter...
I don't, but assume you think of him as a decent, lawful, upright, honorary citizen.

Gotta give him respect. ;)

kikewas
23-11-07, 20:49
captured live aka live at greek teater in Los Angeles 1983 is a dvd very recomendable ...

he have a nice videos and concerts ...
montreaux dvd is too another ...
i was think he only was do the legalize it album .. i was listen this album a lot of years .. and i was be a stupid for no search more about in past ---....
i just go to buy all cds i search in 200X ...
the net is amaizing more expensive here in spain than in others countrys
i was arrive late ... .

i just feel the power of his intelligency ... in his music ...
a true Thunder rebel ...

joe
23-11-07, 22:50
Blaise, I have no idea what your views are on Peter. What are they?

And why do you think a movie on Bob would be ALOT better? What would be better about it? Bob got more rich and famous, is that why it would be better?

I actually think a movie that really lets the viewer get inside of Peter and try to explain what was going on inside of him all of those years and really try to portray what he was really like-that to me would make a very interesting movie. I don't think the real Peter gets across very often. There is too much of the negative stuff that is put out on Peter. Not nearly enough of the positive.

Blaise90
24-11-07, 06:43
Dont get me wrong, I have a level of respect for peter, afterall, i will not deny he is a founding father of reggae. However, TO ME he seems to lack personality. Bob just seemed to be so much more mysterious, and interesting.

I thing a marley movie would be better because Soo many people, especially teenage stoners have the wrong image of Bob, and if a film was done right I think it can help alot. I just feel that a movie made about peter is a missed oppertunity to make one about bob...

Any way, thats all my opinion.

Just to clear it up, no i dont hate peter, Believe me, i am not the kind of person that would go on a marley/reggae forum, and dis on him;)

kikewas
24-11-07, 12:40
bob is great ... the wailers are 3 man .. and more behind ...

bob was be more lucky and have more karisma .....
i just know peter was be a bad lucked man ...
he was persecuted be negative forces i dont know why ...
is a hard life ....

Blaise90
24-11-07, 19:30
well ya, I mean how many times have you heard of peter saying the exact age that he would die, how many times have you heard of him predicting the future. I guess i just feel that bob was a prophet, and peter was not, and i'd rather see a movie about a prophet.

kikewas
12-06-08, 15:57
bob is a big man like allways i say he was be carry a lot of famikys in jamaica is a true heroe ... a king kind ..he s great

joe
15-06-08, 00:04
just like Peter

Ras Craig
20-01-09, 17:53
Blaise, I have no idea what your views are on Peter. What are they?

And why do you think a movie on Bob would be ALOT better? What would be better about it? Bob got more rich and famous, is that why it would be better?

I actually think a movie that really lets the viewer get inside of Peter and try to explain what was going on inside of him all of those years and really try to portray what he was really like-that to me would make a very interesting movie. I don't think the real Peter gets across very often. There is too much of the negative stuff that is put out on Peter. Not nearly enough of the positive.

Well said Joe!!

as Peter said "the Out spoken ones are always the Bad ones"... hahahaha
He certainley didnt lack personality!!


Jah Guidance
Ras Craig

marco
20-01-09, 18:31
many observers said that Peter was more revolutionary than Bob, Peter was tough Bob was soft and so on
But don't you think that Peter was more commercial (easy to listen) than Bob?
The partnership with the Rolling Stones, songs like "nothing but love", "johnny b goode", "buckingham palace", "mystic man", the presence at embarassing Tv programs
I remember well when Peter turned "disco"
So why, in your opinion, Peter is considered more revolutionary than Bob, even today?

SabTrader
20-01-09, 18:49
I dream to see the film ^^

One of the best "Equal Right" Album

"I'm like a stepping razor don't watch my size i'm dangerous..."

bestjamaica
20-01-09, 22:39
any news about this movie??

Ras Craig
20-01-09, 23:09
the presence at embarassing Tv programs
I remember well when Peter turned "disco"

What embarassing Tv programs are you talking about??
and when did Peter turn "disco"?? Hahahahaha

joe
21-01-09, 02:04
It's strange Marco because I hear what you are saying in regards to Peter's songs -v- Bob's songs, but I have always thought Bob's songs were much more commercial than Peter's. And that's one of the big reasons he became so popular. He wrote commercial "hit" songs (not all of them, but just enough). He knew how to write a hit song. He studied hit songs way back from his Coxsone days. He studied songs, melodies, choruses, bars, measures, tempos etc. he studied it all and applied his learned knowledge to his own songs. Peter on the other hand was much more Rasta roots. Now of course he does have some commercial songs (the ones you mention) but the rest are not commercial, not for the faint heart. Peter is more in the boat with Culture and Burning Spear. You gotta be into reggae pretty good to really get into Peter. As we all know and can see everyday pretty much any casual fan of music will get right into Bob's music.

Peter is great. Great just like Bob. He wrote some incredible songs. He wrote some incredible genius lyrics such as "I'm not in this world to live up to your expecatations, neither are you here to live up to mine" (almost does not get any better than that) "I've learned some lessons in my life" "always be careful of mankind" I could go on and on but I won't. Peter is GREAT Bob is Great, The Wailing Wailers are great, Family Man and his brother Carly is great, I love Junior too! :)

ice
21-01-09, 07:06
well well, I must say I tent to agree with Marco - Peter was more revolutionary when it came to stage antics (M 16 guitar, smoking joints in public) or during interviews...and he certainly suffered more from police brutality than marley did...however, if I compare his entire catalogue with Marley's, the result is that Tosh was more commercial than Bob...Legalise it and Equal Rights are fantastic, the latter being among my top ten non Marley albums, however everything else after that was rather soft...the entire Mystic Man album...half of the musicians were not even reggae musicians....now some critics call Kaya soft...and still Kaya has tracks like Misty Morning, Crisis and Running away...I don't see anything like that on Mystic Man (well, perhaps The Day the Dollar die)...last not least: Marley may have released sucessful music - but he hardly ever performed it live...Waiting in vain, One Love, Three Little Birds were all good selling records when they were initially pressed but hardly ever made it on concert setlists...whereas Tosh performed his You gotta walk or Pick myself up regularly

marco
21-01-09, 09:17
well well, I must say I tent to agree with Marco - Peter was more revolutionary when it came to stage antics (M 16 guitar, smoking joints in public) or during interviews...and he certainly suffered more from police brutality than marley did...however, if I compare his entire catalogue with Marley's, the result is that Tosh was more commercial than Bob...Legalise it and Equal Rights are fantastic, the latter being among my top ten non Marley albums, however everything else after that was rather soft...the entire Mystic Man album...half of the musicians were not even reggae musicians....now some critics call Kaya soft...and still Kaya has tracks like Misty Morning, Crisis and Running away...I don't see anything like that on Mystic Man (well, perhaps The Day the Dollar die)...last not least: Marley may have released sucessful music - but he hardly ever performed it live...Waiting in vain, One Love, Three Little Birds were all good selling records when they were initially pressed but hardly ever made it on concert setlists...whereas Tosh performed his You gotta walk or Pick myself up regularly

thank you, this is what I meant

joe
21-01-09, 15:16
Marco & Ice I honestly can't say I really disagree with you both. Again, I see where you are coming from and you make valid points that need to be taken to heart. I would argue that Peter's last album No Nuclear War is one of his best and has some true gems on it. Wanted is my least......

I will say that Legalize It is my alltime favorite reggae album. Every song is a pure gem, The Wailers sounds great. There is just something about it that puts me in a mood like no other album does. Like Kaya (which I 110% LOVE) it often gets a bad rap and I hate it when people talk s**t about Legalize It or Kaya.

marco
21-01-09, 15:49
Marco & Ice I honestly can't say I really disagree with you both. Again, I see where you are coming from and you make valid points that need to be taken to heart. I would argue that Peter's last album No Nuclear War is one of his best and has some true gems on it. Wanted is my least......

I will say that Legalize It is my alltime favorite reggae album. Every song is a pure gem, The Wailers sounds great. There is just something about it that puts me in a mood like no other album does. Like Kaya (which I 110% LOVE) it often gets a bad rap and I hate it when people talk s**t about Legalize It or Kaya.

dear Joe, cpngratulation for your 500 posts, now you are a VIP :D:drunk
Peter was really a great singer and I like very much his voice. I love Equal rights and Legalize it albums and, as already said, I think "rastafari is" the best rasta song ever. But I've never understood why he was considered more revolutionary than Bob.
When I said Peter turned to disco, I remember (1978-1981) when Peter records hit the clubs and white boys of the middle class would dance to his music and i don't think that club is a very revolutionary place
I consider Peter and Bob revolutionaries at the same way

bestjamaica
21-01-09, 19:15
I wrote an e-mail to Tosh1 (by his myspace) the rumors of the movie about his father. This is the answer..:

21 gen 2009, 05.07


Oggetto:
RE: a movie about your father's life



Testo:
Hello,

Far as I know,there is not a movie out on Peter Tosh...But ther is a lot of progress in the making,and a good movie proposal is 1 of them.

Give Thanks
Tosh1 Management

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: bestjamaica
Date: Jan 20, 2009 3:50 PM


hi
i'm Nadia from Italy
Times ago I read a news of a movie-documentary with the title "get up stand up" by Ridley Scott about the life of your father. Is it true?
thank you for the answer.
bless
Nadia

Ras Craig
21-01-09, 20:52
It's strange Marco because I hear what you are saying in regards to Peter's songs -v- Bob's songs, but I have always thought Bob's songs were much more commercial than Peter's. And that's one of the big reasons he became so popular. He wrote commercial "hit" songs (not all of them, but just enough). He knew how to write a hit song. He studied hit songs way back from his Coxsone days. He studied songs, melodies, choruses, bars, measures, tempos etc. he studied it all and applied his learned knowledge to his own songs. Peter on the other hand was much more Rasta roots. Now of course he does have some commercial songs (the ones you mention) but the rest are not commercial, not for the faint heart. Peter is more in the boat with Culture and Burning Spear. You gotta be into reggae pretty good to really get into Peter. As we all know and can see everyday pretty much any casual fan of music will get right into Bob's music.

Peter is great. Great just like Bob. He wrote some incredible songs. He wrote some incredible genius lyrics such as "I'm not in this world to live up to your expecatations, neither are you here to live up to mine" (almost does not get any better than that) "I've learned some lessons in my life" "always be careful of mankind" I could go on and on but I won't. Peter is GREAT Bob is Great, The Wailing Wailers are great, Family Man and his brother Carly is great, I love Junior too! :)

Now thats what I'm talking about!!!

In my opinion, ALL of Peter's albums are absolute musical perfection!!
I find it very amusing how certain people talk about all of Peter's album after Equal Rights like there not good???
Hahaha.... Bush Doctor is an amazing album!! (all apart from Mick Jagger)

"Live Clean, Let your works be Seen,
Stand Firm or Your gonna feed Bumboklaat Worm!!!"...

I would say Bob's biggest problem in life was that he turned 'commercial'
to me nowadays all his albums are like international disco reggae! the only album with any sort of militanty is Survival

What about Could You be Loved?? & Waiting in Vain?
Now to me they are 2 really poor songs!!!

I don't think Peter had any poor songs upon his albums (except Dont Look Back) & thats only because of my hate for Mick Jagger hahaha
but I would say in the end we can argue all day who's better than who but that will get us no-where because there can be NO comparison!!!

"Music is a Misson not a Competition"...

Blaise90
21-01-09, 22:10
RAS CRAIG did you just come one here and say waiting in vain, and could you be loved are "poor songs"???????

Bobs biggest problem is that he went commercial? oh, so you would rather the whole world not know about the teachings of love and peace from the rasta point of view? had bob not gone "commercial" I would not know what a rasta was, and I probobly wouldnt know what reggae was.

I remember one time you asked me "is peter tosh to black for you?" Well I have a question for you. Is mick jagger to white for you?

I have been listening to peter alot now adays. No Nuclear War is one of my favorite songs, but to say that bob is no comparison to peter on a Bob Marley forum is asking for someone to completely disagree with you.

my opinions...

bestjamaica
21-01-09, 22:29
What about Could You be Loved?? & Waiting in Vain?
Now to me they are 2 really poor songs!!!


this is unacceptable for me... Waiting in Vain one of is the most beautiful songs I ever heard... One of the most beautiful love songs even written (not only between Bob's songs)! Could you be loved is the song that made Bob famous all over the world in the 80' and nowadays, everybody knows this song, or almost heard once in his life, but this doesn't mean that is a poor song... No song of Bob is poor!

You said "now for me".. what does it mean? Did you change your mind about this two songs..?

Ras Craig
22-01-09, 01:56
You said "now for me".. what does it mean? Did you change your mind about this two songs..?

haha I didnt mean to be offensive!! but some people are quick enough to try & dis-credit Peter's musical qualities but take great offence whenever Bob gets mentioned. It's Crazy!!

to answer your question, Yes I changed my mind about Bob's music over the years but I call it growth! most people are introduced to reggae or rastafari thru Bob Marley (just like me) but the more deeply rooted I have got within Rastafari the less I liked Bob's music?? I truly Love him as person!! He is a great great man who totally changed my life but to me he can NEVER be Peter Tosh

as Peter said "Bob was an influenced musician"

to answer your question Blaise90,
Yes, Mick Jagger is too white for me hahaha
and those were not my words "Is my music too Black for You" they are Peter's words
but its a valid question you must ask yourself!! Is Peter Tosh too black for you???

It seems like you take his revoultionairy words for nothing more the entertainment

ice
22-01-09, 07:35
Peter's problem: he was extremely jealous about Marley's success, especially since he considered himself the teacher and marley the pupil...and because of this jelausy he tried almost everything to have equal success...of course his later albums contain great songs, too...but A LOT of weak stuff as well...none of Tosh's albums after Equal Rights can seriously compared with any Marley album

marco
22-01-09, 09:08
none of Tosh's albums after Equal Rights can seriously compared with any Marley album

that's all folks! :D

jwimert
22-01-09, 17:57
i agree with you guys.. peter was very talented and had some great music, but just not as strong as bob.

i would love to see a movie following his life and career. would be very interesting to to follow all of the wailers history through his eyes

Blaise90
22-01-09, 20:48
It is tosh's own fault he is not as famous as he could have been. He could have been more famous than bob, but he trashed keith richard's house after he got angry for no reason. The stones were gonna take him to stardom.

either way, peter is great, bob is great, reggae is great. we all have our own opinions

bestjamaica
22-01-09, 22:02
either way, peter is great, bob is great, reggae is great. we all have our own opinions

If we all had the same opinion, we weren't here to discuss...:joint

Ras Craig
23-01-09, 01:21
If we all had the same opinion, we weren't here to discuss...:joint

Exactly!!!
constructive debate is always good for the mind but so much time is wasted in this forum arguing over who's better than who
(it's rather childish) tit for tat!!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion thats the beauty of life haha I just hate how people feel they must try dis-credit one to elevate the next one. Bob Marley is a GREAT GREAT man I could never talk bad about Bob as a person! It would be crazy... He will always be one of my true heroes but in my opinion there is far too much dis-respect of Peter Tosh upon this forum!!!

Anyone ever heard of the band 'Dead Prez'???
I would say they are probably the best band around today!

"What's on the radio?
Propaganda, mind control
And turning it on is like putting on a blind fold
Cause when you bringing it real you don't get rotation
Unless you take over the station
And yeah I know it's part of they plans
To make us think it's all about party and dance...
Platinum don't mean that it gotta be hot
I ain't gotta love it even if they play it a lot"...


"My life is like Roots it's a true story
It's too gory for them televised fables on cable
I'm a runaway slave watching the north star
Shackles on my forearm, Running with the gun on my palm
I'm an African, never was an African-American
Blacker than black I take it back to my origin

No I wasn't born in Ghana but Africa is my momma
And I did not end up here from bad karma
Or from B-Ball, selling mad crack or rappin
Peter Tosh try to tell us what happened
He was sayin if you black then you African
So they had to kill him and make him a villain
Cause he was teachin the children
I feel him, he was tryin to drop us a real gem
That's why we bucking holes in the ceiling when we hearing"...

joe
23-01-09, 01:33
Craig, as a side note who had to kill Peter to make him a villain?

Was Peter killed b/c of a conspiracy plot to kill him or b/c some evil sh**t heads went to his house to rob and kill him?

kikewas
23-01-09, 10:18
live up !!! Reggae Reggae

kikewas
23-01-09, 10:48
i agree with ras craig i, am 32 years old

from 15 years was be first time i listen bob marley and i was make fan of him
i was buy all his albums and allways listen and singing his songs he change my life

my first Tosh Album Legalize it was be a masterpiece
burial --why must i cry --well runs dry i was listen with 18 years old i was be adicted to this album for years too ..



my first bob album Legend and Talking blues masterpieces too

and his Time will tell video
no video like this... the best video of Bob Marley for me

Reggae is the Best

Ras Craig
23-01-09, 13:10
Craig, as a side note who had to kill Peter to make him a villain?

Was Peter killed b/c of a conspiracy plot to kill him or b/c some evil sh**t heads went to his house to rob and kill him?

Well... my friend, Yes I would say it was a conspiracy to murder Peter!!
there is much more to it than what we know, they 'evil sh**t heads' were NOT there to rob Peter, thats bull****! they were sent there to murder him but I don't know by who???

I have spoken to Santa Davis & Marlene Brown about it and they both agree Peter was murder because he was the most powerful black revoultionairy in those times!! but to answer your question who had to kill Peter to make him a villain? unfortunatly no-one knows who ordered his murder??

it's like asking who murdered Malcolm X, Bunchy Carter, Fred Hampton, even Martin Luther King???

Do you know about the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) creating a program "COINTELPRO" to "neutralize" what the FBI called "black nationalist hate groups" and other dissidents. In 1968, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described the Black Panthers as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country. It's been happening from way back when! your are bound to know about how Marcus Garvey & the U.N.I.A suffered at the hands of the FBI?? my friend, EVERY Black revoultionairy has been held back, infiltrated, brutalized, dis-credited or murdered!!!

JOE, I know you are an intelligent man & I can talk all day about Black History but these are not conspiracies... un-fortunatly they are a reality in this white imperialist world we live in

"You can kill a Revoultionairy but you can't kill a Revoultion"...

marco
24-01-09, 09:36
andrew tosh

Albany Al
10-02-09, 23:09
I would love to see a movie about Tosh released. He needs to have his story told. I don't think it is a good thing to argue about whether Tosh or Bob was better. They were different men with different messages and they both had beneficial things to say to the world.

I am a white man who grew up with black people in the city of Newark in the state of New Jersey in the 1950s and 60s. I know that a lot of white people feared blacks and didn't want them to organize. That's when the a FBI infiltrated the Panthers and other groups. Tosh spoke out about injustice but it just made trouble for him.


Reggae music lovers should stick together.

marco
11-02-09, 09:15
....

I am a white man who grew up with black people in the city of Newark in the state of New Jersey in the 1950s and 60s. I know that a lot of white people feared blacks and didn't want them to organize. ...

yes but now you have Obama ;)

Gabriel_Gaspar
11-02-09, 15:57
I think Peter Tosh was more of an intellectual figure than Bob Marley. Look at his speeches... Though Bob's few speeches were more spiritual and "prophetical", Tosh's were more politically consistent. I think Tosh was more of a revolutionary in the world's political sense. Tosh would argue about being explored by record companies, about police brutality, politics, capitalistic exploitation, financial crisis. Peter had his feet solid on the ground, deeply conscious about small earth afflictions that turn the life of the oppressed into hell.

Bob seemed to me to be more of a spiritual revolutionary. He would discuss wider matters like hunger, spiritual weakness, soulful pan-africanism. I think they had different aproaches to the uplifting of black people (and people in general). Complementary, not contrary.

On the musical aspect, they were both great. But as Lee Perry once said, Bob had the best melodies. I would add that he made the best records ever. I love Peter and sometimes, I feel like listening Peter more than Bob. But musically... I think Bob is more consistent. Bob's full length albums are better than Peter's. All of them.

On the "too white" "too black" matter, I think that's prejudice and nothing more. I think it's foolish to judge music on race matters. Music is either good or bad, no matter the color of who makes it. The best musician ever, Bob Marley, was both black and white.

marco
11-02-09, 18:09
I think Peter Tosh was more of an intellectual figure than Bob Marley. Look at his speeches... Though Bob's few speeches were more spiritual and "prophetical", Tosh's were more politically consistent. I think Tosh was more of a revolutionary in the world's political sense. Tosh would argue about being explored by record companies, about police brutality, politics, capitalistic exploitation, financial crisis. Peter had his feet solid on the ground, deeply conscious about small earth afflictions that turn the life of the oppressed into hell.

Bob seemed to me to be more of a spiritual revolutionary. He would discuss wider matters like hunger, spiritual weakness, soulful pan-africanism. I think they had different aproaches to the uplifting of black people (and people in general). Complementary, not contrary.

On the musical aspect, they were both great. But as Lee Perry once said, Bob had the best melodies. I would add that he made the best records ever. I love Peter and sometimes, I feel like listening Peter more than Bob. But musically... I think Bob is more consistent. Bob's full length albums are better than Peter's. All of them.

On the "too white" "too black" matter, I think that's prejudice and nothing more. I think it's foolish to judge music on race matters. Music is either good or bad, no matter the color of who makes it. The best musician ever, Bob Marley, was both black and white.

I agree but... do you know some more political than "Survival" album?

Gabriel_Gaspar
11-02-09, 18:24
No, I don't, Marco! I agree with you: Survival is the most political album that ever was. Still, I don't think that means Bob was more conscious than Peter in daily basis politics. I think that's one more symptom to show that Bob was more able of passing a message through music than Peter - than anyone who ever lived, actually.

ice
12-02-09, 07:06
the problem with peter's speeches: half of the time you don't what the hell he is talking about, even if you are familiar with patois and the JA scene...and when he talks about ghosts and duppies...I mean, it's funny, probably even interesting...but certainly not very political...one exception: his speech before "Equal Rights" during the 1981 Anti Apartheid Festival is fantastic, it rivals (imho) marley's monologues during the Amandla show

Gabriel_Gaspar
12-02-09, 14:38
I disagree with you, Ice. I find Peter's speeches at the One Love Peace Concert quite political. "Them americans come here with them TV business to do what? Get rich upon I n' I", that's something serious in the Third World, it's cultural imperialism. And it's just the first line of Peter's speech. I don't see Bob talking about that stuff as clearly as I see Peter does. Not even in Amandla. In fact, some parts of the Amandla speech - which I love deeply - sound a bit naive to my ears. Like "if we all smoke herb we would think the same way..." We know things are not quite like that.

To me, it looks like Peter was a better speaker - and more of an intellectual - than Bob. Still, I think Bob expresses his points of view musically much better than Peter does.